Hi every-one. I’m actually running a “small” farm of 4000 nftplots.
I’m not in the whole “buy an old server + 256GB of RAM to replot as fast as possible”:
- I don’t really see the point of it “ecologically”;
- I don’t really see the point of it “economically” (Contrary to XCH starts, there is no point rushing to replot with low price & not so fast increase in netspace), where I am, it around 800$ to get an old Z440 + ECC RAM+ time to make the new set-up…;
- Personnaly, I’m not in a situation where I can do a lot of test & run like in 2021;
- (Also, I’m running some forks of interest, but except for 3-4 interesting projects, I don’t see it going anywhere).
So I’m definitely into “slow compressed reploting”, but not into paying anything new to do it.
I’m not in a rush.
What I have:
- “low end” GPU(1*1060 6Gb);
- “middle end” GPU (1*3060Ti) that I can “borrow” from my son PC;
- 1TB SSB with decent speed that made my entire farm;
- Ryzen 3800X CPU, 32GB RAM;
My 2 “20 cents” questions:
- What would you do if you were me?
- Anyone with a comparable exotic or “not so high-end” experience could post under this message to share its experience with other “small farmers” : your hardware, software, & time to create X plots with C"Y" compression level, and your hardware for plot decompression.
I am in similar position. 3300 plots. If you are making $200 a month farming Chia if you replotted your existing setup you stand to make $270 or more and your ongoing farming electricity bill would be slightly cheaper too.
You will not lose out from your existing cash flow but you could be earning 30 - 40% more.
Your low end 1060 is actually high end for farming
I say you should plot a few flexfarmer dedicated gigahorse compressed plots and flexfarm them to your current wallet.
You can compressed plot with cpu
Unless you want to change pool to flexpool then you could plot to your own keys instead of using flex’s
I am plotting with an i7-3770 and a i5-2400
that get 90 minutes and two hour plots.
I couldn’t get a quadro 2000 to farm but a k2200 works. C6
i guess you dont need anything. you can continue plotting with this system.
its take a bit time but that will be okey. just delete your plot files part by part.
32GB memory is insufficient. If u buy anything, it should be to increase memory up to 128GB… 64Gb minimum… if you plan of doing so called ‘compressed’ plots at > C6 level with a GPU. Below that you might get away with CPU ‘compressed’ plotting, but it is slower, if that’s ok.
The more memory u have, the faster u will plot with ur kids game GPU, or even yours, but is is necessary in any case.
Yeah, I understand But 128GB is 550 euros minimum (~590$) and I have to add another 300 to build a decent refurbished Z440 solution. @ actual XCH value/ efficiency gain of compressed plots, it’s like 48 months ROI…
I’m not really in the mood of going further and further…
Also what difference would 64GB make doesn’t it have to be 128GB min?
in terms of speed, Gigahorse C8 (maybe then VGA for the farm) with 64GB RAM and GTX 1060 6GB is rendering time approx. 15 min and 128GB 9 min. With RTX from my son, it will be a bit faster.
You do not need GPU for creating compressed plots. Just do it with your CPU (so it does not need as much RAM). Farming can be done with existing GPU.
Also what difference would 64GB make doesn’t it have to be 128GB min?
New version has: 1/4 Partial RAM mode (64G RAM, SSD for
Here son, a present for you…a wonderful gtx 1060!
Son: but dad, I already have a gpu, a better one
Dad: no son, no you don’t
sorry couldn’t help myself there
i have a k2200 and its farming happily at C8
How many plots, what are your lookup times? (Chia or MMX?)
That’s interesting, I’ll have to prepare a disk and try it
It’s like “largely sufficient” to play Fortnite anyway.
My actual farmer is actually also a mining rig under Win 10 pro.
It is stable but I have a ~3% time off due to reboots & everything.
I’m seriously thinking about :
- buying a Z440 (I found one for less that 200€) as a farmer/JBOD.
- cpu plot compressed C7 with my RIG (Ryzen 3900X 32Gb RAM, 1To SSD)
- transfer plots to the Z440, farm using the GTX 1660 6Gb.
Do you think I need to go full Linux on the Z440, or is the WSL solution OK (it is planed that it will only do Chia)?
One of my problems is that I choosed the Windows ‘storage space’ route to create bunches of 4 disks, and will have to reorganize that thing deeply with Linux…
currently 70TiB all are gigahorse c8 k32 plots for Chia, my difficulty is 20 and my lookup times are about 15-20 seconds. this is my flexpool : i am using flexfarmer, but in my experience that doesnt make a difference to lookup times because even with a ping of a second it doesnt make a difference when the k2200 is making lookup times 15seconds
I am solo farming with 600 TB with Ryzen 2200G + 16 GB RAM (Very stable and good rewards)
I have another PCs too
Ryzen 3600 + 32 GB RAM + GT 710 2 GB + 2 TB NVME
Ryzen 3600x + 32 GB RAM + RTX 2060 6GB + 2 TB NVME
- No change. No need powerfull pc for farming.
- I will spend money to server that supports 128/256 RAM and earn 20/30% more and I will give 3% to madmax. This is really stupid.
- Compressed CPU plots. i dont know maybe level C4
What do you think?
Why don’t you do nothing new, continue as you have? This is super easy for you. Dabble in C4 or whatever plots as you desire over time. Why stress & strain?
I finally did it. I bougth my Z440, not as a plotter, but as my new farmer (which use to be an old mining rig).
I use Windows “Storage spaces” to have bunches of 4 disks (linked to USB hubs).
Each hub goes into a Z440 USB3 port (added 5 of them with an internal Amazon hub powered by a SATA power connector in the Z440).
I use 10 ports, that makes my 40 USB disks fit.
They are mounted in two home-printed racks, and powered by 2 350w power supplies 12v rails (no more ugly AC/DC converters spaghetti, did some soldering here…).
The z440 is W10, but runs WSL2 with Ubuntu to flex-farm the compressed ans old plots.
I mounted the GTX 1060 for farming purpose (at the end it should ~440TB of C8 compressed plots).
Plot_sink gets the plots from other machines and distibutes them.
An home made script delete one old uncompressed plot on each 4drives-array if its free space gets under 200Go.
I got my 2 olds CS3030 1To re-purposed for good’ol’fashion plotting… Plan to expose their TBW after that. My 2 plotters produce 1 plot every 55 minutes : did my math, getting a 3060 Ti + RAM does not really cover the cost of getting the RAM : I stay on CPU compressed plotting, and should be done in ~3 months.
My 3060Ti stays in the gaming computer.
Thanks for your advices, and thanks to Digital SpacePort, Max & Flexpool team for their respective great work.
For those that don’t know NVidia workstation cards, the K2200 is pretty much GTX 750 ti with slightly lower clock speed but has a lot more RAM available.
Don’t try to plot on it, plenty for most smaller farms.
avoid compressed plots for GPU farming, especially if you pay the usual 0.3+ €/kWh
C4 compression study will be available in two months.
I used to plot ~6min with MP600 2TB, Ryzen 9 3950X @ 4GHz, 128GB DDR4-2133MHz, 3060Ti. Your plot price will be around 0.05$/plot. Complete replot ~200$.
If you have no 128GB RAM, which will set you back ~600$ (unsure about price now). You can buy used server for same money. I just bought one that plots ~200s plots with 3060Ti.
Do your math…many kids jump the gun, without even knowing their profitability…talking about “fair” price 300$, predicting the future.
For me, official plots still make more money than C8 MMX plots. There is something funky with FlexPool farming…unsure, whether to rather wait for the official release.
Pick your poison.