How can EchoChia still have so many farmers? Don't they care about the cheating?

They currently have 52.38PiB, after having been called out for cheating and inflating their pool size to get more farmers.

Why are people still with them? Are they not worried they will keep doing shady stuff?

I mean, we are all different, but I would never be in a pool with a history of cheating.

Interestingly enough they havent removed “Chia” from their pool address yet. Will the Chia Network react to that? Deadline was the 27th.


That’s why i went with fully transparent


No they don’t care and probably don’t read the news.

Me too. Although, I temporarily plan to switch to about 48 hours before it reaches 100 PiB in order to get a share of the pool’s 25 XCH bonus (if it ever reaches 100 PiB - it has been stagnating at 55 PiB for some time; and as I expected it switched from immediate payouts to max 1 payout per time interval (currently, per 2 hours)).

I suppose. Most farmers just tune in and then leave it as it is, I guess. A shame that cheating the community worked.

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Funny The Chia Plot even had a headline “They’re dead, Jim”.
Well they are still very much alive unless they are lying again.


I frequently overestimate people. Ever an optimist.

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The question would be better addressed by Chia itself.

First of all, as in a decentralized environment, every one could play a good guy or bad guy. It’s pointless to accuse others as a cheater without evidence. Baseless accusation won’t help to build the trustworthy reputation of adversary.

Second, Chia didn’t do enough to build up the intrinsic value itself. Look at the 90-days chart. Bitcoin went from $36K to $48K, a gain of 30% +/-. In contrast, Chia went down from $700 to $250.

Chia is money. But time is money, too.

John Paulson, the billionaire investor today calls the entire crypto business a “bubble bound to eventually collapse”. Fair enough, John doesn’t believe in Chia. But should those Chia billionaires put in extra efforts to make Chia attractive to folks who believe in Bitcoin and alike?

Until then, you can’t tell who is cheating on whom.

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Does it matter? All pools are subject to syphoning tactics from individual farmers that can only be detected through speculation. A 1PB farm can almost double their XCH without raising a brow. Any size farm can almost double their XCH but once your farm gets too big, it becomes easier for the pool to make the assumption that it is happening.

“Hope is not blind optimism” — Barack Obama

Not sure which piece of news motivates the farmers to replot or switch, particularly for small farmers.

It is a tad frustrating for us smaller “honest” pools, but we continue to believe that as people find out they will move around to places which aren’t lying on their stats…


To answer the original question for my case. Chia is very much a side project for me. I joined ecochia because of its regular payouts and 0% fee. It’s been a low-priority question for me since joining: is it trustworthy? I semi-assumed that the official pooling protocol took care of that.

I finally got around to doing my research today (while procrastinating more important things). Aaaaaand I’ve left ecochia.


No evidence that they’ve stolen anything. Just they lied about net space to promote growth. Which a lot of pools have done.

So, why don’t you be more vocal, and start pushing the official Chia to have some sort of validation of pool results? To me, if I look at Chia UI at my pool performance, and don’t see some sort of verification that what that pool is reporting is right, I don’t think that there is a point to trust those pools. It looks to me that Chia is basically enabling that kind of shady practice.

For that reason I keep few plots in three pools (same number in each pool) to compare results in the “long run.” It is a really poor-man check, but much better than what I get from Chia’s UI.

They lied about their pool space and therefore tricked people into joining with a false promise of payouts that never came.

“Only lied about their space to promote growth”. The “only” here is they in turn tricked people out of rewards, ergo a monetary loss as well.

Im almost certain Chia Network Inc is not going to get involved in Pool performance unless one is using the word “Chia” while lying to people.

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They wont. They said as much on Reddit. Its up to the users, as long as they remove Chia from their name.

They have on their domain and discord, but have kept it for their pool address. Maybe that’s enough for Chia Network.

I’ve joined findchia on it’s beginning, their stats grow normally and it’s kinda frustrating to see that some other pools just cheat, lie about their net space and for people it’s kk to stay there

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Kind of. Their scheme seems to have paid out. They are still quite big. Like someone else here said - they just log on and doesnt care. Still, I wonder if they are allowed to keep Chia as part of their pool address